How can you prove god does not exist?

hawkeyes asked:

This is a real question, and i am looking for people to actualy present facts and evidence that why i putthis in science, im interested to see the arguments against god.

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20 Responses to “How can you prove god does not exist?”

Spanky on August 20th, 2008 8:42 am

The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Celly on August 21st, 2008 3:19 pm

prove to me that he does……..see..who knows
donktheclown on August 22nd, 2008 11:28 am

Simple. There is absolutely no evidence proof or any trace of a god. There has never been anything. You prove a god does exist.
Jim T on August 22nd, 2008 2:03 pm

You cannot prove a negative. This is the one factor which keeps fundamentalists in business.
G-Bear on August 25th, 2008 8:12 am

No!! Can you??
eeyore_0816 on August 26th, 2008 2:20 pm

In my opinion you cant prove he exists or does not exist. If you have faith and you believe than he does and if you dont than well he dont. Its that simple this argument has been around forever and there will never be a middle ground.
Mont on August 29th, 2008 3:09 pm

The bible says that God is love, that God is with you and protects you 100%…then how come there are so many innocent people being killed all over the world. People pray to God for protection but he not always delivers. Now the question is…what are your arguments for the existence of God? What proof is there that he indeed exists?
sanja on September 1st, 2008 8:31 pm

Did you ever see him???
Or anybody else???
Lily on September 4th, 2008 2:29 pm

I can’t. God exists.
eggman on September 5th, 2008 5:00 am

There is no way to prove that god does or doesn’t exist, except maybe to die and see if there really is an afterlife.
Parrot on September 6th, 2008 7:01 pm

That’s like saying “Prove the Easter bunny doesn’t exist” or “Prove leprechauns don’t exist.” Like someone above said, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me.
jesse r on September 9th, 2008 2:12 pm

read origin of species by Charles Darwin. or a newer easier to read book along the same lines is climbing mount improbable by Richard Dawkins.
CLBH on September 11th, 2008 9:33 am

depends on which god or goddess your talking about wh ydo christians always dismiss other gods, if their gods aren’t real how do you know your god is
extton on September 14th, 2008 3:55 am

You cannot prove that god does not exist.

Which is entirely irrelevent in any rational conversation – if someone makes a claim, it is up to them to demonstrate that it is true; there’s no point in falsifying a claim that’s never been proven, after all.

For example: it is equally impossible to *prove* that I am not god, and equally irrelevent.
Schnickle on September 17th, 2008 3:22 am

you can’t. He does.
Thermo on September 20th, 2008 1:41 am

You can’t find any proof.
I proof the opposite:

Logical proof of human creation.

A solid fact is: men and women exist. No one can deny this. We do not consider birth, but the very start of people. It means, purely logically seen
Statement 1: either an intelligence created us.
Statement 2: either we created ourselves
Statement 3: either we have existed always; there was no begin.
Statement 4: either we evaluated from something primitive by chance.
Statement 5: or we evolved from something primitive by selection
The five statements exclude each other. Other possibilities do not exist.

Statement 3
There is not any proof or any clue, that shows, that we have had eternal life. Nobody believes in eternal life. So we can exclude this possibility.

Statement 2
If we created ourselves then the only possibilities are
Statement 6: we existed before we created ourselves;
Statement 7: we did not yet exist before we created ourselves.
Statements 6 and 7 exclude each other

Statement 6: there is no need to create ourselves, because we existed already. And that implies eternal life, which we excluded. So number 6 is excluded.
Statement 7: we did not yet exist before we created ourselves. Then we were not able to create ourselves so number 7 is excluded.
So number 2 is excluded.

Provisional conclusion
Only
Statement 1: either an intelligence created us.
Statement 4: either we evolved from something primitive by chance.
Statement 5: or we evolved from something primitive by selection
are still to investigate.

Statement 4
Nature tends to create chaos, never to order. Scientists who deal with statistics calculated expectation times – before people come out – much longer than the age of the universe calculated by astronomers. The earth seems much younger than the universe.
The greatest problem is how cyclic biological processes have to be started. If one of the parts of the chain is still missing, there is no chain at all. The chain has to exist immediately.
However the possibility of this kind of evolution is not exactly zero, the chance on our existence is so extremely small, that we have to exclude this way.

Statement 5
We should have been evolved from primitive ancestors by selection. The same arguments as with statement 5 occur. Primitive creatures themselves are not able to organize better life forms. The selection should have been determined by survival of the fittest. Nevertheless now the chance of evolution seem to be a little bit smaller than evolution with only change. The expectation times before people come out remain much longer than the age of the universe.
And the: who or what makes the selection rules?

End conclusion
The only possibility that remains, is the creation by a very clever creator. This has been proven by logical arguments. More scientific if is not possible.
Samlyn Josfyn on September 22nd, 2008 4:35 pm

The element of GOD is inbuilt in human logical systems. So it is never possible for any human to disprove the existence of GOD.

Invariantology discusses extensively on this particular question.
Chris on September 25th, 2008 5:51 am

im a biology student. by studying human anatomy it amazes me how these different organs and structure from our body are coordinated. one good example is the heart. which has diifferent muscles that contracts and pump blood to different parts of the body. at the base of the heart, there is this chord like structures that closes the valve when pumping blood – the purpose of these chords like structure is to prevent the backflow of the blood. – its amazing. what a great design. all the organs in our body has great design. if you study how the lungs exhange oxygen and carbon dioxide, how the kide filters blood, how are stomach digest food and many other it not to conlude that there is a someone who did this design with perfect calculations.

if you go on some mountain of hills and you will a see a stairs- (just like those in china)we will quickly point out that somebody design and made those stairs. those stairs did not come naturally. just like biology. i find it hard to believe that those minerals and organic compounds meet together and suddenly become a life with complex structure with perfect calculations of processess. these life forms on earth had complex structure and that would only be possible because some being made this design and that would be no other than most greatest designer of all- The Lord Almighty
Ichi on September 28th, 2008 2:39 pm

Good question

Science and religion are in fact one and the same…they are both built on assumptions that are fundamental to their very existence.

In religion the assumptions that God actually exist, the Bible isn’t a load of hocus stories, misinterreptation, chinese whispers all written down 300 years after Christ died can not overstated enough, just imagine trying to admit the bible in a court of law with all the subjecture in it!! Laughed out of court..and yet a billion people think this book isn’t just a bunch of fairy stories…

In science, no one has ever actually seen an atom – NEVER…but everyone believes they exist, everyone talks about them all the time….

food for thought?
scientia on October 1st, 2008 9:33 am

Let’s look at those arguments again.

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Statement 4: either we evaluated from something primitive by chance.
Statement 5: or we evolved from something primitive by selection
The five statements exclude each other

Statement 4
Nature tends to create chaos, never to order. Scientists who deal with statistics calculated expectation times – before people come out – much longer than the age of the universe calculated by astronomers. The earth seems much younger than the universe.
The greatest problem is how cyclic biological processes have to be started. If one of the parts of the chain is still missing, there is no chain at all. The chain has to exist immediately.
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No. When this has been claimed by pseudo-scientists the numbers are derived by assigning the creation of organic molecules to pure random chance which would be incredibly unlikely indeed. However, using the same faulty process of reasoning we can also prove that hurricanes do not exist because this is an orderly circular movement of air and by their faulty premises they’ve already assumed that order never exists. The chances of billions of tons of air spontaneously moving in a circle are far less than the age of the universe. The problem with this argument is in assuming that hurricanes happen by the random motion of each molecule of air which is not correct. Likewise organic molecules did not happen by chance. When you put inorganic compounds together and allow evaporation these will naturally polymerize into collections of simple proteins which are organic compounds.

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Statement 5
We should have been evolved from primitive ancestors by selection. The same arguments as with statement 5 occur. Primitive creatures themselves are not able to organize better life forms. The selection should have been determined by survival of the fittest. Nevertheless now the chance of evolution seem to be a little bit smaller than evolution with only change. The expectation times before people come out remain much longer than the age of the universe.
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No, this is false again. The mistake here is in assuming that there is some sort of plan for becoming more fit. This isn’t the way evolution works. A population of organisms has a total set of genes. The mistake that is commonly made is in assuming that a detrimental gene suddenly becomes beneficial. This however is not the case. Genes can be either beneficial, detrimental, or neutral. What actually occurs is that formerly neutral genes become benefiicial. As neutral genes become more prevalent the makeup of the set of genes for the population shifts and this is what causes change to a new species. These changes can be toward more or less complexity or a neutral shift in complexity. I’ve seen all of the supposed proofs against evolutotion and they all function by mistating and misunderstanding.

The notion of prophecy or being able to tell the future is incompatible both with the Uncertainty Principle and the concept of free will.

If man is created in God’s image and man is not perfect then God must be imperfect as well.

If God is not capable of seeing the future then God is bounded by limitations of this Universe. But how can a being create a Universe that limits himself? In order for God to contain the concept of a Universe he would have to be more than the Universe. He cannot be both more and less.

We receive light from stars from billions of years past. This would indicate that the Universe is billions of years old. The fossil and geologic record itself also shows that the Earth is billions of years old.

Yet why would it take God billions of years to create the Earth? It does not make sense that an all powerful God would need that much time and as it seems by Christian doctrine that only the fate of humans matter why have animals and even creatures very similar to humans on the earth in the past when they are not here to have any effect humans today. For example, what is the significance of a trilobyte if no human ever saw one?

There are lots of pieces of evidence of flaws in the world around us. For example, Mars apparently once had running water but doesn’t today. There is clear evidence that the level of the ocean was once lower because the Hudson River has cut a channel in the bedrock that runs clear off the continental shelf even though this is now under 300 feet of water.

Why would God make cheetahs with barely any genetic variation? This would fit with the idea that cheetahs once nearly became extinct but doesn’t fit with the idea that they always been as they are now. Why are there hedge apples in US? Their trunks are covered with spines although there is nothing today that would bother them. Their fruits contain toxins with nothing to eat them. Going by the fossil record however the osage orange was protected against mammoths and mastodons. The hedge apple fruits of the osage orange had toxins to foil these same animals and that the fruit was once eaten by giant ground sloths. Likewise the Kentucky Coffee Tree produces a large seedpod that would have been eaten by mammoths and mastodons.

Why would God create Steamer Ducks that can’t fly? Why would he make albatross’ that actually stall and typically fall down or tumble when landing? Why would our cellular mitochondria have its own separate DNA? Why would plant cell choroplasts have their own DNA?

Lesbian women have a physical characteristic that is unlike typical women but is found in men. Homosexual men have a particular brain location that is different from Heterosexual men but like that of women. A physical characteristic would suggest that homosexuals were born that way so then how could it then be a sin?

If horses have always had a single hoof why do their feet develop as individual toes that are then reabsorbed during development? Why do chickens still have genes for producing teeth? Why do both large snakes and whales have unused remnants of legs? Why do giraffes and mice have the same number of neck vertebrae?

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