Posted by admin on 19 Apr 2008 12:15 pm. Filed under Philosophy.
Les B asked:
Since when does death produce eternal life. And how and what is the principle and what conclusion did it serve?
If Jesus was supposed to be sacrificed what difference would there be now if a mistake was made and someone else died in the place of Jesus? How ould the world be now?
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͏♫♪Mafia Girl♫♪ said:
On April 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am
“Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ be made of no effect. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the `wise man’? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe. For the Jews request a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified — to the Jews a stumbling-block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks — Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor.1:17-24).
Alex said:
On April 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
They did it because they wanted to mock him. Instead of instantly killing him, they put the nails through him and crucified him to mock and humiliate him, and to prolong his death so he would suffer.
It is not certain that death produced eternal life. It depends on a person’s faith if they believe so or not.
Jesus sacrificed himself. He was the son of God. If he wanted to, he could have freed himself from the cross, but he didn’t because he wanted people to realize that he suffered for them, so they would have eternal life. It is said that Jesus was the bridge for God. Before he came, everyone was automatically sent to hell. When he died, he freed Adam and Eve and others from hell. He broke the glass barrior of heaven, so those who believed in him would go to heaven from that point on.
If they had killed someone else in place of Jesus, none of this would have happened. People would not be offered eternal life. The world would probably not have faith or religion.
wayfaroutthere said:
On April 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
I’m not sure what their motivation was–it could have just been sadistic brutality, it could have been that they had pity for Jesus but because of their job they couldn’t simply free him or kill him, so they tried to make him die faster but make it look like they wanted to hurt him–who really knows?
Death doesn’t produce eternal life, there were odd and unique circumstances. One man and woman sinned in Eden, and once sin entered into human nature and we gained the ability to tell good from sin, all of us were infected by it to some degree. Everyone has committed a hell-worthy trespass at some point in their life, whether it was against another person or against God. Then God sends Jesus, who has never committed any of the crimes the rest of us have, and he accepts our punishment–death and a trip to hell, for us. But because he was blameless and of God, he was able to conquer hell–he left hell three days later with the keys to life and hell in his hands. This is why you can have eternal life by accepting Jesus’ gift to us–he has not only died for us, taking our death sentences onto his own head, but he rocked the system so that now he is the judge–so get on his good side.
@$%%$@ said:
On April 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
The account of what happened to who ever was being crucified that day did not meet paper for decades. The oral tradition and legend was that the piercing was noted to fulfill an earlier prophetic statement (Isa.53:4-5 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities)and the reasons and motivations for the piercing were irrelevant.
Problem is that prophetic language was poetic and symbolic not literal, so, to point to this as direct proof of prophetic fulfillment is contradictory to all other prophetic symbol.
The point of any religious pursuit is to find ‘freedom’ from ‘bondage’. The irony is that both of those ideas are imagined.
Sowcratees said:
On April 27th, 2008 at 4:56 am
Any more of these in the Philosophy section and I will begin reporting them. Take this to Religion and Spirituality or get reported.
BUFF . said:
On April 27th, 2008 at 11:01 am
would you like to philosophise and try to sove the problems of the world and engage on interesting moral conundrums pertaining to the betterment of man – excellent – I welcome exchange of philosphical ideas from accross the globe and from minds alike and dissimilar such discourse is heartily needed to help build a better society in a world run by sometimes errant intellectual patterns. if you would like to talk about Jesus learn to use the f*****g categories correctly when asking and place your irrelevancies in R&S where they belong.
Charlie S said:
On April 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Crucifiction was practice as an execution method for common criminals in many societies. The cause of death is suffocation, as the muscles in the chest become paralyzed because of hanging by the arms. To extend the suffering, a wedge was often placed benath the feet, so that the criminal could partially support himself. If the guards got tired of waiting for the prisoner to die, they would break their legs, forcing them to hang solely by the arms, thus quickening the paralysis.
Since Jesus appeared to be dead, they thrust a spear into his heart so they could be sure, and then they went home.
On April 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am
“Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ be made of no effect. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the `wise man’? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe. For the Jews request a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified — to the Jews a stumbling-block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks — Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor.1:17-24).
On April 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
They did it because they wanted to mock him. Instead of instantly killing him, they put the nails through him and crucified him to mock and humiliate him, and to prolong his death so he would suffer.
It is not certain that death produced eternal life. It depends on a person’s faith if they believe so or not.
Jesus sacrificed himself. He was the son of God. If he wanted to, he could have freed himself from the cross, but he didn’t because he wanted people to realize that he suffered for them, so they would have eternal life. It is said that Jesus was the bridge for God. Before he came, everyone was automatically sent to hell. When he died, he freed Adam and Eve and others from hell. He broke the glass barrior of heaven, so those who believed in him would go to heaven from that point on.
If they had killed someone else in place of Jesus, none of this would have happened. People would not be offered eternal life. The world would probably not have faith or religion.
On April 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
I’m not sure what their motivation was–it could have just been sadistic brutality, it could have been that they had pity for Jesus but because of their job they couldn’t simply free him or kill him, so they tried to make him die faster but make it look like they wanted to hurt him–who really knows?
Death doesn’t produce eternal life, there were odd and unique circumstances. One man and woman sinned in Eden, and once sin entered into human nature and we gained the ability to tell good from sin, all of us were infected by it to some degree. Everyone has committed a hell-worthy trespass at some point in their life, whether it was against another person or against God. Then God sends Jesus, who has never committed any of the crimes the rest of us have, and he accepts our punishment–death and a trip to hell, for us. But because he was blameless and of God, he was able to conquer hell–he left hell three days later with the keys to life and hell in his hands. This is why you can have eternal life by accepting Jesus’ gift to us–he has not only died for us, taking our death sentences onto his own head, but he rocked the system so that now he is the judge–so get on his good side.
On April 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
The account of what happened to who ever was being crucified that day did not meet paper for decades. The oral tradition and legend was that the piercing was noted to fulfill an earlier prophetic statement (Isa.53:4-5 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities)and the reasons and motivations for the piercing were irrelevant.
Problem is that prophetic language was poetic and symbolic not literal, so, to point to this as direct proof of prophetic fulfillment is contradictory to all other prophetic symbol.
The point of any religious pursuit is to find ‘freedom’ from ‘bondage’. The irony is that both of those ideas are imagined.
On April 27th, 2008 at 4:56 am
Any more of these in the Philosophy section and I will begin reporting them. Take this to Religion and Spirituality or get reported.
On April 27th, 2008 at 11:01 am
would you like to philosophise and try to sove the problems of the world and engage on interesting moral conundrums pertaining to the betterment of man – excellent – I welcome exchange of philosphical ideas from accross the globe and from minds alike and dissimilar such discourse is heartily needed to help build a better society in a world run by sometimes errant intellectual patterns. if you would like to talk about Jesus learn to use the f*****g categories correctly when asking and place your irrelevancies in R&S where they belong.
On April 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Crucifiction was practice as an execution method for common criminals in many societies. The cause of death is suffocation, as the muscles in the chest become paralyzed because of hanging by the arms. To extend the suffering, a wedge was often placed benath the feet, so that the criminal could partially support himself. If the guards got tired of waiting for the prisoner to die, they would break their legs, forcing them to hang solely by the arms, thus quickening the paralysis.
Since Jesus appeared to be dead, they thrust a spear into his heart so they could be sure, and then they went home.
On May 2nd, 2008 at 2:13 am
They did it to make sure he was dead